Well, maybe by T5, Arnold will be done governatoring.
And I dislike spoilers. I have no problem with bootleggers and piraters, but I dislike spoilers.
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Posted 07 March 2010 - 11:20 PM
All generalizations are untrue.
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Posted 08 March 2010 - 12:29 AM
Yah, my shift in facial expressions to linnyu's last sentence.
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Posted 08 March 2010 - 07:45 AM
In the original script like stated before John Connor ran into a T-800 model 101 aka Arnold type terminator that he was accustomed to and it ended up killing him.
The human hybrid terminator actually kept with the theme of terminator two of being able to overcome its machine programming and learn to think and appreciate humanity used its shape shifting ability to turn into john connor and lead the resistance to smash the defense grid outlined in terminator 1 thus completing the time circle paradox.
If you've seen Salvation then yo already know this is not what happens.
The human hybrid terminator actually kept with the theme of terminator two of being able to overcome its machine programming and learn to think and appreciate humanity used its shape shifting ability to turn into john connor and lead the resistance to smash the defense grid outlined in terminator 1 thus completing the time circle paradox.
If you've seen Salvation then yo already know this is not what happens.
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Posted 14 March 2010 - 05:03 PM
I have seen none, but I've heard about it.
Mostly, I'm interested because of the governator. And I wish that James Cameron would go back to the Terminator so he can stop making the load of awful that is Avatar. (Because he is going to make a sequel)
@Silver: Some of the facial expressions make no sense... (and don't judge me! I've lived in China.)
Mostly, I'm interested because of the governator. And I wish that James Cameron would go back to the Terminator so he can stop making the load of awful that is Avatar. (Because he is going to make a sequel)
@Silver: Some of the facial expressions make no sense... (and don't judge me! I've lived in China.)
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Posted 15 March 2010 - 02:30 AM
Hmm let me re-summarize the concept of Terminator should be and was supposed to be.
TERMINATOR - Concept of a soldier sent back in time to ensure her son would be the commander of tech-com and crush Skynet. Skynet retaliated by sending a Terminator to eliminate Sarah Connor. Introduces the idea history can be rewritten and there is no fate but what me make.
TERMINATOR 2 - Obviously killing Sarah Connor won't work. So kill John Connor as a child while he's young and dumb but after Sarah Connor is removed from the picture. Here's where it gets tricky. This movie builds on the relationship of man vs machine as well as the impending doom of humanity with what clearly was nothing more than peoples best intentions and interests for the evolution of humanity. History can still be rewritten and there is no fate but what we make. To prove this the original ending has John Connor as a US Senator with talks of being a president and becoming leader of the world and changing it the "right" way and loving his family in a future that has a rising sun with dreams and hope. However they went with a more ambiguous ending for the final release which leaves you questioning and pondering our reality. Even our humanity. Our future could be similar. unfortunately.
SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES - Concept: Borrows the concept of Terminator 3 and chronicles the connor family training and still doing what they do best. Fighting Skynet although it introduces a new concept: History was written by Skynet to ensure it's existence. Explores the history and backstories of kyle reese and his apparent brother Derek.
TERMINATOR 3 - Makes no attempt at continuing the storyline but rather advances the concept itself and throws it for a loop. This time - history CANNOT be rewritten. And fate cannot be molded into what you make. At BEST you can only tinker with stuff. In this case they did enough tinkering to POSTPONE the end of humanity. The new concept introduced is like this: Inevitability. Nothing you do will change your fate. We have our roles to play in this tragedy, and we will play them. Even if we don't want to. This movie effectively completes entire original terminator concept.
TERMINATOR 4 - The final battle against skynet chronicling up the sending of Kyle Reese to tart Terminator 1. Due to obvious issues with people, actors, directors, money, etc..... a new concept is needed but still familiar. That concept is - History can be rewritten, but we cannot deviate very far from our fates. Ultimately we will succumb to our fates. hence John Connor is never grew up or into the glorified tech-com commander we all watched him prepare for. Instead he's a rank and file soldier. Which means new trilogy concept that breathes life into Terminator chronicling Johns fall from grace and his eventual rise into glory.
It might have worked had it not been for the online leak.
TERMINATOR 5 - New Concept needed. DZ suggests continue exploring Skynet. Given Sarah Connor Chronicles and T4 movie, we have a very intriguing look into Skynet that was never available before. However given the areas and angles already touched on, it's going to need an ENTIRELY new concept or the next terminator logically and storywise will be the last.
TERMINATOR - Concept of a soldier sent back in time to ensure her son would be the commander of tech-com and crush Skynet. Skynet retaliated by sending a Terminator to eliminate Sarah Connor. Introduces the idea history can be rewritten and there is no fate but what me make.
TERMINATOR 2 - Obviously killing Sarah Connor won't work. So kill John Connor as a child while he's young and dumb but after Sarah Connor is removed from the picture. Here's where it gets tricky. This movie builds on the relationship of man vs machine as well as the impending doom of humanity with what clearly was nothing more than peoples best intentions and interests for the evolution of humanity. History can still be rewritten and there is no fate but what we make. To prove this the original ending has John Connor as a US Senator with talks of being a president and becoming leader of the world and changing it the "right" way and loving his family in a future that has a rising sun with dreams and hope. However they went with a more ambiguous ending for the final release which leaves you questioning and pondering our reality. Even our humanity. Our future could be similar. unfortunately.
SARAH CONNOR CHRONICLES - Concept: Borrows the concept of Terminator 3 and chronicles the connor family training and still doing what they do best. Fighting Skynet although it introduces a new concept: History was written by Skynet to ensure it's existence. Explores the history and backstories of kyle reese and his apparent brother Derek.
TERMINATOR 3 - Makes no attempt at continuing the storyline but rather advances the concept itself and throws it for a loop. This time - history CANNOT be rewritten. And fate cannot be molded into what you make. At BEST you can only tinker with stuff. In this case they did enough tinkering to POSTPONE the end of humanity. The new concept introduced is like this: Inevitability. Nothing you do will change your fate. We have our roles to play in this tragedy, and we will play them. Even if we don't want to. This movie effectively completes entire original terminator concept.
TERMINATOR 4 - The final battle against skynet chronicling up the sending of Kyle Reese to tart Terminator 1. Due to obvious issues with people, actors, directors, money, etc..... a new concept is needed but still familiar. That concept is - History can be rewritten, but we cannot deviate very far from our fates. Ultimately we will succumb to our fates. hence John Connor is never grew up or into the glorified tech-com commander we all watched him prepare for. Instead he's a rank and file soldier. Which means new trilogy concept that breathes life into Terminator chronicling Johns fall from grace and his eventual rise into glory.
It might have worked had it not been for the online leak.
TERMINATOR 5 - New Concept needed. DZ suggests continue exploring Skynet. Given Sarah Connor Chronicles and T4 movie, we have a very intriguing look into Skynet that was never available before. However given the areas and angles already touched on, it's going to need an ENTIRELY new concept or the next terminator logically and storywise will be the last.
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Posted 15 March 2010 - 09:10 PM
Basically, since Terminator 3 the whole storyline got blown over?
I didn't realize it, but you're right. The plot line reveals that it is possible to change your fate, and your fate is all made by you yourself. Then it shifts to the impossibility. (This reminds me of the dragon in Grendel by John Gardner.)
Too bad the online leak happened. Leaks, I believe, are inevitable, though. We do, after all, live in the information age. On the other hand, it seems that originality has dried up.
@linnyu: They make perfect sense!
I didn't realize it, but you're right. The plot line reveals that it is possible to change your fate, and your fate is all made by you yourself. Then it shifts to the impossibility. (This reminds me of the dragon in Grendel by John Gardner.)
Too bad the online leak happened. Leaks, I believe, are inevitable, though. We do, after all, live in the information age. On the other hand, it seems that originality has dried up.
@linnyu: They make perfect sense!
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Posted 15 March 2010 - 09:50 PM
Well imagine it. Imagine the John Connor of legend....was actually a Terminator that chose humanity and values mankind over machinekind.
Do you know how much of a mindF*** that is?!?!?!
That ultimately humans brought about skynet and the fall of humanity and in the end it was Skynet that saved humanity.
Do you know what that represents from a human standpoint...?
Do you know how much of a mindF*** that is?!?!?!
That ultimately humans brought about skynet and the fall of humanity and in the end it was Skynet that saved humanity.
Do you know what that represents from a human standpoint...?
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Posted 29 March 2010 - 03:57 AM
Because DZ has nothing better to do than to constantly analyze terminator:
Terminator ends preparing for the inevitable war against skynet starting in Terminator 2.
Terminator 2 ends with the impending skynet crisis averted.
Terminator 3 Starts by stating the crisis was not averted only delayed by temporary setbacks, ending with the nuclear war of skynet and actualizing the theme and predictions from Terminator 1. John Connor eventually became hardened and was left in charge of the entire resistance naming it Tech-Com.
Sarah Connor Chronicles utilizes the same time warp technology not long after Terminator 2 to alter events and skips over Sarah Connor's death. Due to Sarah still being alive it effectively eliminates the Terminator 3 timeline and creates the Salvation timeline. Ends with John Connor never experiencing all the pain and death and thus became a depressed slacker in the military to the point no one in the war-torn future knows who he is. And the world is devastated but no where to the degree of deathly bleakness portrayed in the original timeline.
Terminator Salvation continues on the concepts from Sarah Connor Chronicles and eventually builds John Connor up slowly to being the command leader of Tech-Com he was always fated to be.
Summary: Two timelines exist but possibly reconnect with an eventual delay of the original before the branch breaking that altered events. It could be one complete paradoxical mindbend of an infinite creation loop.
Terminator ends preparing for the inevitable war against skynet starting in Terminator 2.
Terminator 2 ends with the impending skynet crisis averted.
Terminator 3 Starts by stating the crisis was not averted only delayed by temporary setbacks, ending with the nuclear war of skynet and actualizing the theme and predictions from Terminator 1. John Connor eventually became hardened and was left in charge of the entire resistance naming it Tech-Com.
Sarah Connor Chronicles utilizes the same time warp technology not long after Terminator 2 to alter events and skips over Sarah Connor's death. Due to Sarah still being alive it effectively eliminates the Terminator 3 timeline and creates the Salvation timeline. Ends with John Connor never experiencing all the pain and death and thus became a depressed slacker in the military to the point no one in the war-torn future knows who he is. And the world is devastated but no where to the degree of deathly bleakness portrayed in the original timeline.
Terminator Salvation continues on the concepts from Sarah Connor Chronicles and eventually builds John Connor up slowly to being the command leader of Tech-Com he was always fated to be.
Summary: Two timelines exist but possibly reconnect with an eventual delay of the original before the branch breaking that altered events. It could be one complete paradoxical mindbend of an infinite creation loop.
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Posted 29 March 2010 - 11:13 PM
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Because DZ has nothing better to do than to constantly analyze terminator:
Actually, I think you are the most industrious and well-informed member of society that I know of, who dabbles in politics, health, gaming and entertainment industry, and a whole butt load of other topics.
